by Guest » Tue Mar 04, 2008 02:39 pm
Does anyone have any experience working with Safeco? What were the pros and cons? I'd love to hear your thoughts. I'm most interested in how they treat their independent agents, but I'd appreciate anything you can add.
Thanks!
Leonard
Thanks!
Leonard
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:10 am Post Subject:
On a side note.
I am a very compassionate person Mike, and what has changed since your first posts actual is my lack of patience with your insisting on (for the most part not all) your labeling all companies and adjusters as pretty much scum...talk about name calling! you throw out when called on it the occasional 'well not all', but then continue on with comments (the one that really sent me over the edge, and you still didn't prove or back down from) that ''often'' adjusters are rewarded for under valueing claims! That is wrong wrong wrong...and not only incorrect, intentionally misleading (then you attempt to validate it by saying a person is 'rewarded' by keeping their jobs! pa-leez) ...but professionally and personally offensive...it appears your goal is to spew misinformation as fact in an effort to bring consumers to 'your side'....which frankly Mike there is plenty of 'true' things that could accomplish the same....THAT my dear Mike is what is responsible for my change in attitude toward you and your agenda.....speaking of agenda's and 'side notes' Mike all your talk about diminished value and 'helping' people with that...you get paid for that right Mike? How much? $199.00 a shot right? Just curious..Lori, you seem to have picked up some bad habits since my first posts. I am not sure if the sugar coated compassionate Lori, is the real Lori, or if the adjective slinging paraphrasing version is the real you. Or maybe posters that have the testicular fortitude to tell it like it really is irk you to the point of losing your temper. This name calling is so beneath your image. This forum is jading your perspective of the reality of the collision industry. You really need to visit some forums that do not mince words or sugar coat the truth now that you are in to the mudslinging style.
This forum is jading your perspective of the reality of the collision industry.
..No, that isn't true, Mike I work in body shops all day long...I don't go to an office, nor do I have one...I spend all my day in body shops....If you aren't afraid of making the same statements and accusations you have hurled at me, come over to the www.prodiscussions.com board and maybe you could convince all that post there that they are pond sucking scum.
First of all read the post again, I said you consider all adjusters pond sucking scum....I didn't call you that...
You really need to visit some forums that do not mince words or sugar coat the truth now that you are in to the mudslinging style.
Yeah, Mike I've been to those sites, you talk about foul! Geeeze you guys can't even get along, I've never seen so much 'in fighting' in my life....you can't find a thread on those sites where someone isn't calling someone a filthy name...that's where I want to spend my time you bet cha'Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:29 am Post Subject:
I don't know Dave, maybe....however seriously doubt a Judge would get into labor rates....on an interesting note re: labor rates and Mike's contention that all insurance carriers under pay...I found this on one of ''his'' sites...check out the national average, and yes I can get Missouri's as well...I found this very interesting...
Labor Rates From Across The United States US AVERAGE:
Body/Paint Labor Rate $46.36
Unibody/Frame Labor Rate $55.51
Mechanical $69.39
Paint Matl Charges Body Matl Charges $26.56 na
Now here is the interesting thing...this is what the company I work for pays..
body=46.00
frame=60.00
mech=65.00 (talk of raising this to 70.00 in the near future)
p&m=28.00
So as you can see there isn't the HUGE difference that some would like you to believe...hmmmmmmmmmm........
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:16 pm Post Subject:
See folks by way of example...this is the ''type'' of thing our friend Mike does...I have threads devoted to little ole' me.....on his ''buddy'' sites...(by the way Mike I'd figured out which'mike' you were long ago :wink: )
SOME EXCERTS FROM MIKE'S FAVORITE SITE...
Mike, I doubt that there is a person known as Lori.
Thanks for the compliment there buddy! But I assure you I'm just me!I believe that "she" is just a group of PR guys that are paid to spin the news in their favor to off set such sites as "Statefarmsucks and similar sites. "Her" responses are to well crafted and timely for it to be one person.
then he goes on to re-post and link one of our threads...thanks mike! I'm sure lakemen enjoys the hits!
Lori, I too believe it is a waste of time to argue with her. But, you got to hand it to Mike, he ain't no quitter. Hey Mike, ever find out what insurance company Lori works for?
Hey I thought I wasn't one person?She squirms and squeals the loudest when you mention progressive and geico. She said she works for the company I bash the most. I think she took personal offense to the Progressive suits against shops on rental expenses. That would be my guess.
I said I work for one on your hate list which is pretty much every ins company....I did not take personal offense at your comment about the progressive suit merely your misleading information that they have an entire legal dept dedicated to sueing shops for rental bills...you came up with one suit...ha ha..you're a kick...if you might have helped someone down the line. You told the truth, and you backed up everything you said. What more can you do? I found the whole thing entertaining and educational. JMT - Dave
Be great if he actually did back up anything...hi dave !that forum is a total waste of time. I posted a link to a bad faith suit that was deleted almost the moment it hit... Lori is what she is, and if she wasn't, someone just like her would take her place as gatekeeper
"I" have never deleted any link on this site EVER......Post this one for your buddy's mike.....you openly claim to want to reak havoc! not make things better....nice............
be sure and check out their ''good humor'' section, if you have a strong stomach..... :roll: certainly wouldn't want your kids or grandkids there that's for sure!
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 03:29 pm Post Subject:
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 04:19 pm Post Subject: Poor Lori,
First of all read the post again, I said you consider all adjusters pond sucking scum....I didn't call you that...
Neither did I, but if you keep repeating it enough, pretty soon it begins to sound like I may have made that pond sucking scum comment.
I am sorry you can't accept facts unless they come from the Wall Street Journal or some Insurance Journal or talking points sheet from your company. Some facts are, that I never lumped all insurers and all ajusters into your categories. These are pretty feeble attempts by you to discredit facts taken from many sources including depostions of ceo and adjusters of insurance companies.
It's pretty nastic poetic license for you to add adjectives to names I have never used to describe. If you can discredit someone by addressing facts you continue to sling diatribes of false accusations. This is typical of how insurers attempt to steer customers with innuendos and misrepresentation as long as it is condoned by the company. Corporate pockets are too deep for the average person to get vindication in the courts for much of the slanderous comments.
One has to realize that if Lori was to name her company, she might make them liable for many of her false accusations. The only people in the insurance companies that I recall even lumping together were the bean counters and corporate management that makes most of your decisions. Every company has rogue adjusters that cause PR grief for their companies.
If you ever get out of the insurance business, you have a future in the disinformation and propoganda business within some government entity, that's for sure. You really ought to introduce yourself to the buddies over at Pro D. Nice lumping there Lori! While I may know some of the posters there personally or have met them, I respect any of them that post there, because by doing so they risk facing insurer steering in concentrated amounts. You see some shop owners understand that we are not in the business of insurance and insurers are not in the business of collision repair and insurers claim not to be the repair experts when challenged in courts of law.
Some who post there, have even been recipients of judgements against insurers who have libeled and slandered their good names. Maybe you ought to stick to your policy issues, you do not really seem to have your facts in order. Not all shop owners shamelessly bend over and grab their ankles or pucker up and kiss the behinds of insurers to be their partners who later throw them under the bus. Others that post their even admit to being former insurance attorneys that helped to develope the very systems which systematically cripple and corrupt the collision industry by insurer interference for which they now regret.
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 04:41 pm Post Subject: 46.00?
Hi Lori, I see 90.00 once in a while for mech. time on insurance estimates. There just doesn't happen to be any time next to it. I can't think of any other service that I can buy for 46.00 per hour, can you? Maybe this explains why these parts drivers keep asking me why all of the big shops return about half of the parts that they order. Also I was wondering if it bothers you at all that you write R&I on estimates and watch the cars go through the shop with the items masked instead of removed. Thanks in advance for your reply. - Dave
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 06:01 pm Post Subject: Labor Rates
Hi Lori, I tried to post a couple of times, but they didn't go through. If they do later, sorry. I have seen 90.00 per hour for mech. rate on insurance estimates, just that there was no time next to it. Are there any other comparable services that you can buy for 46.00 per hour that you can think of? Why do these parts drivers keep asking me why these big shops return about half of the parts that they order? In the shop that you are in, do you write to R&I items, but see them come through the shop masked off?
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:43 am Post Subject:
:lol:
I have seen 90.00 per hour for mech. rate on insurance estimates, just that there was no time next to it
:lol: wow! that's crazy...kind of like half of nothin' is nothin' huh? crazy....Are there any other comparable services that you can buy for 46.00 per hour that you can think of?
I don't set the rates Dave, I just found those national averages...as you know most carriers will 'poll' shops...these rates that I posted were from shops...which I found very interesting....apparently they aren't as far apart as I was led to believe....as far as comparative services well know mechanics make more...( :roll: no I can't tell you why)....do you mean like other tradesmen?Why do these parts drivers keep asking me why these big shops return about half of the parts that they order?
What are you saying there Dave?In the shop that you are in, do you write to R&I items, but see them come through the shop masked off?
I actually work in seven different shops...and to answer your question NO NEVER...if they did I would request they be booted..have I ever seen that? Absolutely...did I throw a big fit, absolutely....Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:50 am Post Subject:
talking points sheet from your company
I don't even know what that means Mike... :? Never read the wall street journal in my life...and no just a factual source...NOT OPINION..........The only people in the insurance companies that I recall even lumping together were the bean counters and corporate management
why don't you re-read your own posts mike, like the one that sent me over the edge, remember, ''often adjusters are rewarded'' remember that one..? if that ain't lumpin' all together I don't know what is shall I provide you with the definition of OFTEN....If you ever get out of the insurance business, you have a future in the disinformation and propoganda business within some government entity, that's for sure.
I suppose I should take that 'dis' information comment as a compliment coming from the master....Yeah MIke and some of the posters over there are or were DRP shops which you all promptly run off with your foul comments, and insults as well... :roll:Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 04:30 pm Post Subject: Look who is calling the kettle black
I suppose I should take that 'dis' information comment as a compliment coming from the master....Yeah MIke and some of the posters over there are or were DRP shops which you all promptly run off with your foul comments, and insults as well...
I have backed up everything I have said with factual stories from newspapers articles, trade magazine articles, newspaper articles embedded in blogs which is nothing more than this site is actually, depositions of adjusters, and other sources.
I am sorry you can't accept facts unless their are slanted to your beliefs.
As far as foul, I fail in comparison to your shots at taking liberties with accusations, innuendos, remarks, distortions. But then this is what some adjusters are trained to do I suppose.
I do not recall slinging mud to depths that you have. I do not believe I have ever called you a bald faced liar. You back track by stating you only suggested I made a bald faced lie. I do not see a distinction or difference here. To imply that one has made a bald faced lie, is to make the leap to implying that the person making that statement is a bald faced liar. You have portrayed me personally as a hater which I am not. I don't even hate or despise you. I just feel sorry that you feel you have to sink to the level you have to deflect some facts I make in generalizatons about SOME ADJUSTERS. I was almost out the door of this forum on good terms but you dragged me back in almost like you didn't want me to leave by personally attacking me when I made a generalization about some adjusters.
There are no posters over there that do not come here becasue of anything that I have said, they stated that they do not come here because basically you are a mouthpiece for the insurance industry and that I would be wasting my time trying to enlighten anyone without your interference.
See folks, this is the side of some adjusters we see when you challenge their supposed authority. They get mean real fast, they deny, they delay, and they distort the facts of the proof provided. This is typical of the conduct and reprehension we encounter when a shop owner becomes an advocate for the vehicle owner which is our customer.
But if you are part of the go along to get along collision ownership you get the nice adjuster as long as you play the game and don't make waves or ask for what you feel you are entitled because your business is your livelihood.
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