by sdchargersfan » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:51 am
Well.........apparently I am having posts being deleted again. I don't know which MOD is doing it. However....I am getting no explanation to this action. LAKEMEN..maybe you can do something about this. Why should I post here if my advice/coments are being deleted? Does anyone have this much trouble???????!!!!!!!
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:01 am Post Subject:
LOL. Are you being a bad boy T scope?
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 01:29 am Post Subject:
they are elsewhere
Roddrick what do you mean 'elsewhere'? Like in another thread maybe? Let me address that first if that's the case, (and I'm ONLY speaking for myself in this post, let's make that real clear :wink:)...If someone 'piggy backs' an old thread...with a new problem/question and someone has posted an answer to that 'new' problem...I will generally (if i catch it :wink: ) split the thread...meaning I'll start a new thread with the 'new' problem, and any comments or posts to that particular 'new' problem will be moved along with that new post to the new thread...is that what you mean? If so it has zero effect on your post, count, cash anything...and that definately needs to be done..if a piggy back post comes to a thread, a new thread needs to be created...If that's not what you meant please do let me know...and I'll try again :)I have also noticed that oftentimes when I submit a post, I get the "No Topics Exist" message and the post seems to go into cyberspace or somewhere.
Ok Guest which one are you? Who forgot to log in? :lol: Are you talking about getting an update email then when you click on the link you get that message? I get those too, and only assume that the post that generated the alert has been deleted...You'd be surprised how much out and out spam that I alone delete ...I don't know how much the other mods or admin. delete, but assume it's as much as or more...and I'm talking blatant spam, ie, 'i just found this site and they offer really good deals on ins.' posted on like 100 threads.. :roll: most of these posts you all never see because we've cleaned them out...but they (i think) still generate an email until they are deleted...I don't think anyone would argue with the fact this type of trash needs to be removed, (and yes, I always ask that the poster of such garbage be banned :evil: )...Guest if this isn't what you meant by this message please let me know...and I'll try that one again too..SD, honey you misundertood Tcope's post completely..
instead of sarcastic comments
..it wasn't a smart remark to you..it was a joke about the topic.See my post above this one for the solution.
There was no post above, he was acting like his prior post (with the solution) had been deleted.. :lol: (pretty funny by the way Todd :wink: ) I'll admit Todd's humor some times is too fast for me and I have to read it twice... :lol: :lol: :oops: (you're such a smart boy Todd! :wink: )I think if we are going to have "Moderators", they should abide by the Terms and Conditions of this community and not just use a personal judgment as to what posts stay and which ones go.
Guest, I don't know what Terms and Conditions have been violated by a mod...if there have been violations then the Lakemen need to know...Not sure either, what you mean by personal judgement :? Deleting, editing, and moving, a thread or post (or parts of) is all a personal judgement made by a moderator or administrator. ... I make a personal decision as a moderator that a post needs to be deleted, moved, or that I need to edit a post and pull out a web address, phone number etc....I'm not clear about your statement... please explain it more clearly and your reasoning behind it...so I can try and address it for you.Ok, now on to the main topic...I had ask the Lakemen for some clarification on this because I was getting notes from some posters and SD is clearly very upset by this. I got a response this morning and this is my understanding.
Post that do not add content to the topic by way of getting or giving information, or assistance to the OP will be deleted...a few examples might be (btw, these are NOT to my knowledge any actual posts...just examples I'm making up)..."Oh that's sounds awful, I'm so sorry this happened, someone will be along to help soon", "I had a second counsin's wifes, step brother that had something kind of like this, but I can't remember what happened". "I'm not an expert but one will come along shortly" you get the idea..
Here's the deal, while these are benign at first glance (to me too!)...and in fact seem kind and welcoming (and I'm sure that is the true motive)...we do get paid PER post...I honestly forget this ALL the time...from a business perspective the owners and administrators cannot forget that they are paying for that! When you look at it that way it makes a lot of sense (to me anyway)...Also it does distract from the thread, and adds nothing to the content. Now, there is nothing wrong with expressing sympathy, and empathy FOLLOWED by good information...it is just not acceptable to expect to be paid for posts that LACK content..
From our Terms of Use:
Any forum post(s) that are considered to be aimless and intended to generate income only would not be entertained in our forums.
Another problem is rephasing prior posts...(example)...poster #2 says, ''OP, if you would supply the state you are in, we would be in a better postion to answer that question" then poster #4-8 and 9 say something like, ''We need the state to help you" or "what state do you live in" see the point? And really would you pay six people to say the same thing if it were coming from your own pocket?
Directly from the Terms of Use:
Forum posts that are irrelevant to a particular thread or bears repetitive information would not be considered for payments and may be removed by our moderators. Similarly, any comments made to such irrelevant posts would not be considered for payments and may be removed.
Now, that all being said, we all wander from time to time, but when there is a pattern or excessive amount of this, it has to be dealt with. I was a little ticked off and did not understand it fully myself, until recently...but it is perfectly clear to me, and makes perfect sense as well...It's a business decision. I've asked if there was a way to simply 'dock' the amount of that particular post and let the post remain, but there is (at this time anyway) no way for them to do this..
I sincerely hope that no one is offended by this, and once we all think about will realize it makes perfect sense. This is an insurance forum aimed at helping the consumer to better understand and appreciate this business. I believe that we ALL provide a valueable service to those that visit this site.
I welcome comments to this post, and hope you all will weigh in with any questions and/or concerns, as well as your opinions. I further hope that this helps clear up some misunderstandings. I think that communication is the key, and think perhaps this open discussion is a little over due. But it's here now...so comments?
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 03:03 am Post Subject: insurance
On some of my posts, I amy not be "relaying 'DIRECT' information" to the OP, but, I try to give them advice on what 'options' they can take. Apparently when I DO do this, the posts are getting deleted, too.
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 05:59 am Post Subject:
Up mix word sense not make stay post go fun word make delete?
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 09:57 am Post Subject:
Hi,
Roddrick what do you mean 'elsewhere'? Like in another thread maybe?
I was pointing out to those threads which got shifted to other forums within the community..but then again Lori, I thank you for a fine explanation!
Roddick
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:27 am Post Subject:
Since its going on for quite sometime now, Sdchargersfan is complaining about her posts getting deleted, its time that we clear our stand in this regard. Lakemen, hope that you would soon be around to clarify it to the community. I’d only present my personal opinion on this issue.
I’ve been associated with this community for quite some times now and like the others have only the best interest of this site in mind. The objective of this site is to help out people who are in trouble. Yes, extending sympathy would definitely ease out one’s mind, but at the same time we are depriving that person of the information he has sought. If we can’t supply the required help to that individual we are earning one unsatisfied visitor/member. We need to keep the objective of this board in mind when replying to the threads.
It has been observed that few members are taking the opportunity and diluting the subject matter with their casual posts. Let me touch upon few points,
The posters take time to go through the responses made by the members and casual posts would only add to their dissatisfaction. The members shouldn’t post with the motive to increase their number of posts but with the true intention to help.
Again, this is being done for the betterment of the community and not to single-out anyone. All the members of this site are equally valuable to us, but they should also abide by the Terms and Conditions set by the admin.
Hope to get your support in this regard.
Regards,
Juanita
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:39 am Post Subject:
People,... SD'... and others...
A deleted post is a badge of honor!
It means we got to them.....the mods.
A deleted post stuck in their crawl and violated something therefore they had to use their mod POWER to quash your literary masterpiece.
They do it to me ALL THE TIME!
Pfffffffffffffffffffttt!
Just remember you're in their house, they set the rules.
Our job is not to question mod authority, it's to see how far we can push them to the edge before they use the nuclear option and blow your post to Internet hell!
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:06 pm Post Subject:
Oh Dave, that hurt my head! :lol: care to translate?
SD
I try to give them advice on what 'options' they can take. Apparently when I DO do this, the posts are getting deleted, too.
I don't think for one second that you are milicously posting...(with the intent to generate revenue)...Not sure exactly what you mean by giving them options and those posts are deleted...I would hazard a guess that those posts either did not add content, or repeated prior posts? Is that possible? If so then there is the reason...When I spoke with the lakemen he said there had been complaints no only from members but from new OP's as well, re: the dilution of the threads or not getting the information they came here for...again this meant only to benefit the site as a whole...and I'm sure that is what everyone wants, and why we contribute, and spend our time here...to help those that need help (including ourselves)...
Oh Gary, always a pleasure.. :roll:
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:31 pm Post Subject:
Hi All,
There's not much left to clarify after Lori has shared her views over here and I truly thank everyone for holding on to their patience.
I have only one thing in mind..and there won't be a better opportunity to share it with you-
See, when a community grows it needs to gather every bit of its strength (over here its knowledge..)...then it needs to be nourished (I mean the struggle..)...after it covers a distance its the time to look back and measure if its heading in the right direction..the outcome is often unexpected...it would reveal much of the glory that's been earned out of prolonged sacrifices. At the same time it helps us count upon those who have contributed to this hard earned growth and that to what extent...who all have left and who all are still with us...we could thus get a fair idea of where we stand exactly as a 'community member' and what we've gained out of it!
Now, lets check out some of the comments from our members-
...Also it does distract from the thread, and adds nothing to the content.
Could not agree more on this. We as human beings would love to show respect and sympathy as we empathize with each other. But do we get paid for that in this harshly real world? NO, my dear friends. Its time we start analyzing our strength areas and work hand in hand to achieve 'success'.
On some of my posts, I amy not be "relaying 'DIRECT' information" to the OP, but, I try to give them advice on what 'options' they can take.
Many of the users had formulated advices recollecting information already presented by others in some way or the other - they got their posts deleted.
This is an insurance forum aimed at helping the consumer to better understand and appreciate this business.
Certainly! It is for the betterment of the community and to make our platform more credible that we should act professionally! A little bit of research from each one of us might help our visitors and add to our knowledge and benefits.
Let me clarify-
Any forum post(s) that are considered to be aimless and intended to generate income only would not be entertained in our forums.
Certain sympathetic posts have been made by our members in between their own meaningful and informative posts. Such posts have not been deleted.
Forum posts that are irrelevant to a particular thread or bears repetitive information would not be considered for payments and may be removed by our moderators. Similarly, any comments made to such irrelevant posts would not be considered for payments and may be removed.
If a forum comment or a moderation move hurts a member, it would be his responsibility to inform the administrator or a moderator regarding such moves through private messages. Posts bearing their complaints in that very thread would spoil the theme of the discussion and should be considered 'irrelevant'. Alternatively they could start a separate thread regarding their problem in the Pub.
Let me also inform you-
All moderators are now handling the forums as per the guidelines mentioned in our Terms of use. I'd request all our latest members to go through it and keep the great work going!
Regards,
Lakemen
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 01:55 pm Post Subject:
Thanks for popping in on the thread...hopefully everything is very clear now, if not please please please ask questions...I'm always available including pm's if you don't want to post a question publicly as I'm sure the other mods and admin are as well..
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